we used a lot of satellite imagery for that. so that was identifying key features of camps whether that was very thick perimeter walls, like two metres thick, guard towers at the corners of those, whether it was barbed wire in courtyards, and those things helped us to determine whether a place was likely to be a camp or not. we corroborated that using eyewitness reports, we spoke to dozens of former detainees, several who were able to point us directly to where they were being held for support government tender documents in our media reports. and you won the pulitzer prize for this? yeah, we won the pulitzer prize for international reporting for this work. that s amazing. i want to hear more about your work in a moment. i m trying to speak. i want to hear about your work at the moment because you re not only concentrating on ukraine and russia, you re also doing a lot of analysis of myanmar. tell us a bit about that.
perimeter walls, like two metres thick, guard towers at the corners of those, whether it was barbed wire in courtyards, and those things helped us to determine whether a place was likely to be a camp or not. we corroborated that using eyewitness reports, we spoke to dozens of former detainees, several whom were able to point us directly to where they were being held or government tender documents, media reports. and you won the pulitzer prize for this? yeah, we won the pulitzer prize for international reporting for this work. that s amazing. i want to hear more about your work in a moment. i want to hear about your work at the moment because you re not only concentrating on ukraine and russia, you re also doing a lot of analysis of myanmar. tell us a bit about that. we ran a project at the centre
suddenly this light grey square would appear over the location. you zoom in again and it would be gone immediately. it looks a little bit like the map was broken but we quickly realised that it wasn t, that we could reproduce us. also it was happening in all of the locations where we knew camps to be. so we started to map that censorship and could go and look at those same locations and google earth and see what was there. and that allowed us to identify what we believed is very close to be to full network of camps. we used a lot of satellite imagery for that. so that was identifying key features of camps. whether that was very thick perimeter walls, like two metres thick, guard towers at the corners of those, whether barbed wire in courtyards with up and those things helped us to determine whether a camp of the place was likely to be a camp or not. we corroborated that
so we turned to satellite imagery. we spent a little while researching potential techniques for finding the camps, and we discovered that in the chinese version of google maps that there was censorship, that when you navigated to a place where we knew that there was a camp and zoomed in that, suddenly, this light grey square would appear over the location. you d zoom in again and it would be gone immediately. it looks a little bit like the map was broken but we quickly realised that it wasn t, that we could reproduce this. also that was happening in all of the locations where we knew camps to be. so we started to map that censorship and could go and look at those same locations in uncensored imagery such as in google earth and see what was there. and that allowed us to identify what we believe is very close to be to full network of camps across xinjiang. we used a lot of satellite imagery for that. so that was identifying key features of camps whether that was very thick perimeter wa
military said bagram airbase is not much of an asset. a lot of questions on the decision to leave that airbase. do you think it proves to be a fatal flaw in everything we ve seen happen? it is the fatal flaw in this operation. i served 13 months in bagram, two runways, you can see miles from guard towers, russian minefields around it, a fortified point of injury, it is impenetrable to the types of attacks that happened at kabul airports, it is like somalia surrounded by tenements, and the standoff, a vital piece that proved to be the fatal flaw.