how concerned are you about pardons as the serb circle gets closer and closer to the president? the president has been signaling for a long time to roger stone, don t worry effectively. just hold tight and i m sure that was why he was kind of dancing as he left the courtroom today. which is not the way any normal purseen acts but it must be nice to have trump on your side he knows as long as he holds firm, he s going to be pardoned. if president pardons stone or anybody else, they re going to have to testify before congress and court. they lose their fifth amendment protections. which is why he dangles pardons for so long doesn t actually give them. the latest developments seem to have taken the president and
the gru doesn t hack the hemails and thand to donald trump. the extent you have a chain, the question legally is at what point does the chain become atenuated enough you can t get them on the actual transfer? the short answer is it doesn t have to go too far if you want to charge a conspiracy or attempt and i want to second both mimi and marcy s point that it s going to be a treasure if stone is one colorless fellow. and the search is going to turn up quite a number of emails of the like that he has we ve already sent but the interesting part of the whole counterintelligence side of this thing. as you say there is, once you get into sort of the espionage world, it s all a hall of mirrors and denials and plausible counterways of
firm, he s going to be pardoned. if president pardons stone or anybody else, they re going to have to testify before congress and court. they lose their fifth amendment protections. which is why he dangles pardons for so long doesn t actually give them. the latest developments seem to have taken the president and isth country into new development. the fallout from this head-spinning day next you re made of trillions of cells.
put tremendous hardship and stress on hundreds of thousands of american households. the president is really into making deals now his political advisors in and out of the white house have reassured him that look, once you do this, you don t have to take it as a cave, you have a series of weeks and at that point, if negotiations don t go your way, and the democrats don t bend at the knee and give you the billions of dollars of wall funding you so desperately want and need apparently, you have the national emergency option in your back pocket this doesn t have to be the end of the road. he could still very well do that the probability of that is not anywhere close to zero, but as most fair observers on that issue will concede, the chances it gets tied up in court are extremely high. well, and michael, i think the point is back pocket you can t run another shutdown i think that you they can t do it. it s trump true
with that. you ve got to have some kind of a paper trail. there s also i think a situation that will has pushed us into president obama into a situation where he s just not credible. more and more people looking that the. let me ask you about this, because some people were asking about the credibility of this statement. let s listen to what kellyanne conway had to say about these sanctions last night. some of them seem largely symbolic. the gru doesn t really travel here, doesn t keep its assets here. is that correct? the gru from my understanding does have assets here. they re covert. they probably have certainly i don t know how many, but they probably have a few official cover people in their washington embassy and as far as nonofficial cover, not, which more and more intelligence services around the world are moving to in spite of the danger of having someone who s not