work, which, by the way, is the key to reducing the deficit. so we believe spend money now and that will lead to deficit reduction in the future. neil: what about creating an environment that encourages those folks to be picked up by private companies. guest: they have rebounded and corporate profits are surging and record-breaking heights and we have not seen hiring pick up. neil: a little bit. i am not saying with the results of the stimulus prior to, but, maybe, before we have more spending with money we don t have, maybe we should see the benefits of a cycle that we probably do. guest: how much longer are we going to wait? we are already more than a year and a half beyond the official end. neil: i am open to that if we thought more spending was the answer. it is interesting the pick up in jobs seems to be dovetailing with the promise of tax cuts or keeping rates where they were, that could work into the equation, as well? guest: if we keep it the way
not send his family back to saudi arabia. so, you tell me what s going on with saudi arabia. but would you stop all aid to the region, we have given hundreds of billions over the decades. would you stop that as president? guest: i would stop a lot of it and i would stop it if they are not our friends. look at pakistan. we give them $150 billion, we give them so much money nobody has any idea what is happening to it and they don t give us osama bin laden? and he is according to all sources, if in pakistan and you don t think the leaders know where he is? of course they do. neil: i looked at the prospect of you running and well county the nuisance factor, a business guy like you would have to, you know. tax returns, none science and everyone goes over every deal. guest: i like that.
effective immediately. there yo go. and 1,000, we crossed for oil for health care law exemption, in the last two days 100 companies added to the opt out list so now 1,040 laws to not have to deal with the restrictions. so what and who is left in? and now jennifer, this is sort of gutting it, isn t it? guest: absolutely. and it will get worse and worse as we approach 2014. what is happening, the largest companies are seeking the waivers, the exemptions so their employees will not be left with no coverage at all. it s going to build such animosity for the bill that the reform is going to get
and maybe that is the answer. guest: but it hasn t happened and if we wait for this level of growth we will wait until 20 unanimous 2019 to get back do where we were. this is a job economic recovery plan. there is a real social cost to the debt and legal of unemployment. the families are suffering and it is hurting the neighborhoods and hurting children. we need to get people back to work and we need to do it quickly. we can spend to keep people unemployed or spend to employ them. neil: but when you are deep in debt and the kids and grand kids will inherit this. guest: we have a short-term deficit caused by the deficit and two wars and the bush tax cuts. neil: and 9/11 and other things along the way. guest: the long-term deficit and debt is structural issue, we need to get to that and i watched the interview with alan
or not. to say nothing of your association with this guy. guest: 14 reasons and he has eight grandchild and i have six branch. and when joe biden called me in january a year ago and said, will you do this and i said, no, you told me erskine bowles would be the co-chair and i heard about this remarkable gentleman and i have a bit of disappointment because this is a stink bomb in the garden party and it airport going it ain t going away. neil: flower in now we are in the debate of keeping the government going two weeks at a time. guest: that is crazy. guest: both sides are crazy. neil: what happens if we shut down. guest: i chaired the veterans affairs committee and was on the aging committee and i will tell you what will happen, they will tear the congress to shreds when they do not get the