by for us with some new information. what can you tell us? first of all, we are finding out from the airport that two runways have reopened, and anybody with travel plans through that area is being asked to check with the airlines for all updated arrival and departure information. also we re getting some news from reuters out of south korea that 61 u.s. citizens were onboard this plane that took off from seoul and crash landed in san francisco today. we don t have any word on their conditions of course at this point. melissa with the first information, the first information that we ve gotten regarding the number of americans on the plane. 61 according to reuters. waiting to get some hard official numbers on the total number of folks aboard that plane. greg fife is standing by for me as well. greg fife former ntsb investigator. greg, are there you? greg, first of all, i have been asking all of our guests
of about 700 to 800 feet per minute. that s what the airplane will seth in settle in at. if they got into an excessive sink rate, that makes it hashder for the crew to arrest it at very low laltitudes. and in this case, they ll be looking to see if they tried to stop it and they couldn t. what would cause a plane to go into this excessive sink rate that he was talking about? the plane flying too slow. but the question is, flying too slow. i can think of only a couple of things. either the pilot is not doing his job or the engines were not producing power, couldn t get engine power that he wanted. both seem so out of out of the realm of possibility, but it has to be one of those. captain bun and greg, i want you to both stand by for me if i can. i want to bring in corrine gaines with the u.s. coast guard. corin, are you there?
it was his reaction and the overuse of the rudder during this encounter that generated forces that were large enough to actually snap the fin, the vertical fin off. msnbc aviation analyst john cox is satisfied with the findings. but the report is controversial. aviation safety consultant greg fife believes that a closer examination is necessary. it s easy to say the pilot put too much. the question is why. that question to this day still hasn t been answered. the ntsb in its public hearing actually identified 11 events that had taken place involving these high loads where the vertical stabilizers did not separate. now you have a trend here. you have a history. you have a historical record. but what i see in their investigation is they looked at all of these things in isolation rather than trying to find why the loads occurred but how they
bring the plane level. these are located on the wing. he also uses the rud der. it moves the plane from side to side. the rudder is operated by moving two foot pedals on the floor of the flight deck forward or back. it was his reaction and the overuse of the rudder during this encounter that generated forces that were large enough to actually snap the fin, the vertical fin off. msnbc aviation analyst john cox is satisfied with the findings. but the report is controversial. aviation safety consultant greg fife believes that a closer examination is necessary. it s easy to say the pilot pushed too much. the question is why. that question to this day still hasn t been answered. the ntsb in its public hearing actually identified 11 events that had taken place involving these high loads where the vertical stabilizers did not separate. now you have a trend here. you have a history.
fuselage and the airplane at that time became no longer controllable. panels located on the wing are used to control the plane. the co-pilot does this but he also uses the rudder. it moves the plane from side to side. the rudder is operated by operating two foot pedals on the floor of the flight deck forward or back. it was his reaction and the overuse of the rudder during this encounter that generated forces that were large enough to actually snap the fin, the vertical fin off. msnbc aviation analyst john cox is satisfied with the findings. but the report is controversial. aviation safety consultant greg fife believes that a closer examination is necessary. the question is why. that question to this day still hasn t been answered. the ntsb in its public hearing actually identified 11 events