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specifically by 2030. the conservatives say they will do that by shrinking the size of the civil service, saving money in that kind of area. there are questions about whether that is realistic and affordable. laboursay whether that is realistic and affordable. labour say they will only do it once the economic conditions allow. this is a clear pitch to reach to voters here in an area, greater machester and indeed across the whole of the country. there are parts of the country where the day lost seats at the last general election perhaps in part because voters have fears because jeremy corbyn, their then leader, was a bit less strong on defence and had slightly more nuanced positions and didn t necessarily come out stating quite so clearly that he was in favour of things like nuclear deterrent. you heard john healy being asked about the way that some current shadow cabinet members who could well be ministers and cabinet ministers in the next labour

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