is you said if he now has decided to take himself seriously, i m afraid we re going to have to follow suit. uh-huh. what do you make of that? well, i think we are, tamron. at first this was like a great put on. it seemed like a donald trump routine, it seemed like just another exercise in self-promotion, but he s actually showing up in the polls, as you noted. he s making motions the way a candidate would make in terms of starting maybe to assemble a campaign team. this is starting to look serious and consequential, and i think we ve got to treat it as such. i want to play what donald trump had to say to savannah guthrie. if we re going to treat it seriously, this was his answer regarding raising the debt ceiling, as you well know, the big debate happening right now. let s play it. i would not raise the debt ceiling. i ll tell you why. you don t think the u.s. defaults on its obligations would be grave for the economy? i don t think you have to default. you have to make