have to comply with the subpoenas, congress has the power to do this. that s one thing that s happening in the battles between the white house and congress. meanwhile, the trump administration is so utterly desperate to prevent former white house counsel don mcgahn from testifying before congress tomorrow, which is on the schedule as far as we know, they have now issued a legal argument from the department of justice saying congress cannot compel him to testify. tonight mcgahn s attorney told the house he will defer to trump until an agreement is reached with the white house. now, don mcgahn matters quite a bit here because he spent, as you might remember, 30 full hours detailing to robert mueller trump s repeated attempts to shut down and subvert the investigation. trump does not want mcgahn to come before the committee and say everything that s in the mueller report that almost nobody has read. if don mcgahn does that and says what he told mueller, it will look terrible because the p
have to comply with the subpoenas, congress has the power to do this. that s one thing that s happening in the battles between the white house and congress. meanwhi meanwhile, the trump administration is so utterly desperate to prevent former white house counsel don mcgahn from testifying before congress tomorrow, which is on the schedule as far as we know, they have now issued a legal argument from the department of justice saying congress cannot compel him to testify. tonight mcgahn s attorney told the house he will defer to trump until an agreement is reached with the white house. now, don mcgahn matters quite a bit here because he spent, as you might remember, 30 full hours detailing to robert mueller trump s repeated attempts to shut down and subvert the investigation. trump does not want mcgahn to come before the committee and say everything that s in the mueller report that almost nobody has read. if don mcgahn does that and says what he told mueller, it will look terrible becau
yeah, lawrence, i want to borrow a phrase from the mueller report. judge meta s ruling was a sweeping and systemic rebuke of the president s claims that he, one, is above the law and two, is not susceptible to congressional oversight. when i sat in that courtroom, i was shaking my head because i heard the president s lawyer william consovoi say things like congress can t investigate a president who violates criminal statutes and congress can t investigate a president who violates the constitution, for example, the emoluments clause and congress can t investigate a president who may have a financial interest, a conflict of interest in legislation he supports or executive orders he authors. and judge meta was shaking his head. he was being polite, but you could see he was buying into none of it. so when i see him use a word like your arguments were
be a big deal to everybody. it s the president s attorney right now who is being accused of that. we don t know if the president was behind it. yeah. this is why we wanted to get all the underlying information so we could look at exactly what was said, how it was said. but of course if this turns out to be true, if there s other evidence that comes out that shows that the president actually directed jay sekulow to do this, then that would be a big problem. i think the reason you asked me earlier about don mcgahn, that s why this is so compelling. don mcgahn directly said the president told him to lie and he would not do it, and that is huge, i think. that s information that the american people need to see. all right, congresswoman, thank you for making time for me tonight. thank you, chris. if congress ultimately begins impeachment proceedings against president trump, today will be seen as a turning point,
pattern of behavior that meet the threshold for impeachment. mueller s report satisfies all the elements of obstruction of justice and any person who is not the president of the united states would be indicted based on such evidence. impeachment which is a special form of indictment does not even require probable cause that a crime obstruction of justice, has been committed. it simply requires a finding that an official has engaged in careless abusive corrupt or otherwise dishonorable conduct. while impeachment should be undertaken only in extraordinary cases the risk we face in the face of extreme partisanship is not that congress will employ it as a remedy too often but employ it so rarely that it cannot deter misconduct. america s institutions depend on