if it s true they had to do it. they are criminally liable. but look, bill, what s really important for the country is not that a lois lerner sits in jail for a year or two. that s not going to change anyng. i think what s really important for the country which is extremely upset about this scandal, above all others. everybody hates the irs and for good reason. intrusive and out-of-control agency in the government. you saw the arrogance in which lerner gets up there before e committee and says i didn t violate any rules. i didn t break the law. i m proud of what i did. and now i take the fifth amendment and won t sp anymore. try doing that when you are audited by the irs. bill: how about the shulman guy with 157 visi what were you doing there? i brought my kid on an easer egg hunt. you are right. arrogance is the right word. i know you don t put too much stock in shulman s
bill: continuing now with lead story. hearings about the alleged irs abuse in washington today. joining us now from the capital building congressman tom price from georgia a member of the house ways and means committee. what s the most important thing, congressman that heard today. well, we had six witnesses before the committee today. i think a couple things stuck out. one is that three of them were tea party groups. patriot groups and their budgets, annually we like $2,000, one was in the hole, one was $18,000. these aren t large groups. no reason for anybody to be targeting them tore anything. the second thing which was reallyroubling. one of the groups the onors were not only leaked to an add adversarial political group but then donors were then harassed by folks. this is just chilling stuff. something that ought not occur certainly in this country that we know to be the land of the free and the home of the brave.
bill: okay, now how does it go now? you heard the testimony. i mean, i think you know and believe that there is something wrong in theist. how do we hold people accountable now? does your committee continue? do you issue subpoenas? do you ask the fbi to get involved? es.l the folks where it couple things. one the treasury inspector general is continuing now an investigation. before it was just an audit. now the investigation moves forward from a congressional standpoint we have got the oversight and governm reform committee and the ways and means committee both doing oversight committee we have heard from the folks t level at the irs. and then heardom the victims. thenet the individuals who were on the ground those folks in cincinnati, the 48 individuals. bill: they are all going to take the what lois lerner did. i don t know if that s the case,ll. you certainly have to give them the opportunity to say who told you to do this? bill: they are going to
that is a powerful case. i think the committee does not have to do it again. you do it once, and the images and the words will stick. bill: here s the problem. we re going to be this network is going cover it the other networks probably won t cover it in great detail at all. it won t get out too much into the distracted population that s a problem. there is criminal charges going to have to come here. i don t know the federal statutes yet. we are researching that it looks to me like all of this was illegal. do you see it that way? well, some of it is very likely illegal. you are not allowed to leak confidential information. that clearly is a violation of the law. and i think those irs agents knew about it, abetted it, or evenas aware of it. bill: somebody had to do it it from inside the irs
bill: okay, now how does it go now? you heard the testimony. i mean, i think you know and believe that there is something wrong in theist. how do we hold people accountable now? does your committee continue? do you issue subpoenas? do you ask the fbi to get involved? goes.the folks where it couple things. one the treasury inspector general is continuing now an investigation. before it was just an audit. now the investigation moves forward from a congressional standpoint we have got the oversight and governm reform committee and the ways and means committee both doing oversight committee we have heard from the folks top level at the irs. and then heard fom the victims. then get the individuals who were on the ground those folks in cincinnati, the 48 individuals. bill: they are all going to take the f what lois lerner did. i don t know if that s the case,ll. you certainly have to give them the opportunity to say who told you to do this? bill: they are going to