transcript. i mean, that s how we re going to get it. or whoever else listened. everybody listened. so again, this is just a breach of protocol. it s dangerous. and it s almost inexplicable. so david holmes will testify behind closed doors today. he will give his account of what he heard of that which includes sondland it sondland telling him after the president was more interested in the investigations. when ambassador sondland testifies. what kind of a witness is he? who is gordon sondland and what does he want at this point? that is the unknown at this point. we know he s already gone in and had to change his testimony once. there are certainly cases now out of taylor and kent s testimony that put in doubt some of his other testimony. my guess but it s only speculation is he s going to go in there and protect gordon sondland. he s not going to go in as president trump s guy. the president, i think, sealed
welcome back to our special coverage of the impeachment hearings. today on capitol hill, there will be closed door testimony and it could be pivotal. lawmakers will hear from that key state department official who says he overheard president trump discussing investigations of the bidens on a phone call with ambassador gordon sondland in the middle of a restaurant in kiev. back with us we have joe lockhart and charlie dent. so david holmes is going to be testifying behind closed doors. he s interesting, he s one of these state department career diplomats. well thought of, competent. the idea he could hear a phone call this loudly in the middle of a restaurant in kiev of all places, is this because ambassador gorgdon sondland is member of the keystone cops or because rules don t apply anymore and you don t have to be in a secure area to have a conversation with the president of the united states? all of the above. keystone cop, naive, out of his league. virtually we know everybody hear
ambassador. and every president does this. this is not started on trump s watch. obama did it big-time. and some good ambassadors come through that. and some less good. i m not prepared to say sondland is a bad ambassador. i m just saying he has, if anything, he has no context for the actions he s taking. he may be, you know, sadly an amoral guy who does whatever trump says. but is there some way he skipped the training? i don t think so. you go to ambassador school, learn how to be an ambassador, what you re supposed to do, how you re supposed to handle yourself. in many cases you also get language training which i assume is offered. because he said brussels switch a french-speaking country. too many mistakes on this watch from the public report here. charlie dent just told us on june 28th, he was at a dinner with gordon sondland, ambassador