surrender in their view on one of those things, he s got to make that the debt ceiling rather than the shutdown. that being said, that makes this whole thing very uncertain. it s not clear that boehner has a strategy as the charitable view would suggest, or that he has control of any significant part of his caucus. molly, while you separate those two issues, he seems to be conflating them. in the way he s managing this issue. yes. he has well, he has said all along he wants to negotiate in his words the whole thing at once, and the closer the two deadlines come or the closer the debt ceiling deadline comes with the government still shut down, the more plausible it seems we resolve both things at once. goldie, since speaker boehner has had such a miserable time i mean, people talk about him, people who know him, say that he is a man who likes to do deals. he wants to serve the nation. he has been at war with this lunatic fringe of his party. they re about to force the country
stop! the nation could be headed for its first-ever default. uncle! uncle! the president saying i won t have a conversation. we asked to sit down and have a conversation. it s about having a conversation. what s up, i m pay pay phone. if it you re there, pick up, pick up, pick up, pick up. he knows what my phone number is. we re having ourselves quite a little game of phone tag here. george, i m ready for the phone call. i just want to hang out. no big deal! i m ready for a conversation. let s get right to our panel. joining us is msnbc contributor, goldie taylor. the atlantic s molly ball and jonathan capehart of the washington post. welcome to all of you. go goldie, this crisis, there could be an up or down vote and end today. the president has advised him to do so. why doesn t he do it? because, frankly, his
will, in fact, impact not just millions of people, but billions of people, because it will cause a global cascading of events that we simply cannot foresee and predict all of them. what we do know is that it will mean calamity in the markets. it could mean a freezing of the central line of funds that get transferred overnight in this country. and so i just think that we have to kind of take a step back and reexamine who we re talking about here. speaker boehner has not shown himself to have the political courage to step out and put a clean cr on the table. and so i m not sure that he s willing to put his party before his country when he s just so put his country before his party when he s shown otherwise. you speak truth, goldie. marty ball and jonathan capehart, thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. coming up, new details about the dueling raids in libya and somalia as the president flexes american muscle on terror targets abroad. stay with us. up in alaska, we find t
there are reasons to be relatively optimistic? well, i think there s a sense of despair now, and, you know, look, we talk about gun violence when it s something like what happened at the navy yard, when it s a awful tragedy like happened in newtown. but the fact of the matter is, far fewer people are killed in those sorts of events than in the tragedies like happened in goldie s family that are occurring all of the time and are not moving anybody to action. so i think the despair is not necessarily a permanent one. these things go in cycles. but the pendulum is at such a place where we just can t reasonably anticipate any sort of action. there was even a slight bit of optimism that, all right, congress is stuck on this. at least the states are going to get going. and colorado made some progress there. and then you see these state legislators recalled there. so i think you heard in the president s words, well, hope over the long-term, but no concrete action in the short-term, because
other hearts and particularly on yours? you know, martin, we are a faithful family. we are a family of faith. and unfortunately, largely we re also a family of women. and so we are ack coupled, it seems, to losing our men. for me, i don t have grandfathers, no father, no cousins who are, you know, of majority age, no brothers. and so i cling to my sons a bit more tightly. it seems to me that somewhere along the line we have to make this stop. that it is not fair that congress is able to walk freely into the capitol without fear of harm, really. but a school child can t walk to school in chicago without being escorted by parents and police. and so we have to figure out. we as a nation, not our congress, we as a nation have to figure out when we are going to move on in congress and demand that they make a meaningful change. goldie, it seems to me as