then why haven t the american people seen it? there is no evidence of fraud. none. what little they had they tried and lost went up in flames in dozens and dozens of courts across the country. so this really is about whether or not the rule of law is going to survive. and if it wobbles, it will be because of one reason, republicans in this country that have lost their love of country in order to further their own political ambition. a few things, claire, you re right they did try to present the evidence and lost 63, 64 times before courts of law that threw them out in most cases. you brought up senator scott. we were just talking about him with george conway in a commercial break to put context around what claire is saying, this indictment, read through it, 45 pages. you ll see what s in here, what happened. tim scott, running for president, of course, said, and who was there at the capitol on
we are expecting news of another charge. talk about the inner play and then the state one. how is that going to work? they both seem to be doing their own thing, fani willis, said she couldn t pick out jack smith out of a lineup or something like that. it doesn t appear they ve been coordinating closely at all, but what they re trying to do and what they re trying to prove is parallel. i think the strategic choice mr. smith has made to just focus on donald trump is a very, very smart one, and i think that s good his case will go to trial before hers. by all accounts she s going to bring a much more organized crime kind of case involving the georgia rico statute that involve a lot of defendants.
out of washington where former president donald trump, who took an oath to preserve, protect and defend the united states constitution, has been indicted for allegedly trying to subvert that very same document. a federal grand jury convened by special counsel jack smith voted to charge the president for his alleged efforts to stay in power after losing the 2020 election. the 45-page indictment lays out four felony charges against trump. conspiracy to defraud the united states, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding, and conspiracy against rights. trump is scheduled to make his first court appearance in the new case tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. in washington. special counsel smith spoke about the case after the indictment was unsealed and emphasized the seriousness of the charges. the attack on our nation s
arraignment tomorrow or appear tomorrow. what happens from here? what kind of time line including another case from the special counsel s office? first on mike pence, i found it fascinating the statement from his campaign were some of the most aggressive we ve seen, not lamenting the prosecution of a former president as he has in the past but saying essentially no one is above the law and you shouldn t subvert the constitution. fascinating because he is a key player in this. it was interesting, it appears the special counsel obtained his contemporaneous notes that weren t available to the january 6th committee. in terms of time line, i agree with chuck and george conway the whole point of bringing this case with the single defendant and unnamed co-conspirators who could be charged later is to get this to trial before the election because, well, chuck said it s true that 12 jurors will decide this case if it goes
passages from page 33 as pertains to vice president pence, on christmas day 2020, calls then president trump a very merry christmas. quickly in response donald trump asks him to overturn the results of the election on january 6. and the vice president reportedly replies, you know, i don t think i have the authority to change the outcome, but merry christmas to you, mr. president. january 1, and, boy, doesn t this capture the whole thing, the defendant, former president trump, calls, berating vice president pence because he opposed the lawsuit seeking a judicial decision that would have helped donald trump. trump says to vice president pence, quote, you re too honest. that was a flaw that he was too honest. so, ken, as you look over the horizon now, we know president trump, former president trump, will have to be at the