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The apollo 13 mission. This hour long interview was part of the oral history project. Oral history [ inaudible ] date is march 12, 1999. You cut your teeth in Mission Control as a Flight Controller responsible for spacecraft guidance and navigation. How did you manage to get in on the ground floor of a program like this . And what was your secret . It was not easy. I had actually tried to go to work for nasa in 1962 and the guy that interviewed me was gene kranz. Kranz and i couldnt get together on money so i said to heck with you and i went off and did something else. I went to General Dynamics in fort worth. But i knew i wanted to get there so bad. Finally two years later in 1964 i took a pay cut and went to work for kranz, with melbrooks and started out as a Flight Controller. The reason that i did, agina was what we were going to join up gemny with. I worked at the Satellite Test Center in california right after i got out of the air force in 1960. We flew those early flights from v

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