“He’s been everywhere on loan – York, Fleetwood, Southport, Newport, Tranmere. Now he’s probably Preston’s best and most consistent player.
“It shows me that there’s a path through non-league, especially for defenders, where you have to go and learn the basics of the game. The bit on the ball, that can always come, you can always learn that later, but the basics, you have to have them.
“I look up to someone like Ben because he’s had the same path as me and now he’s doing really well in the Championship.”
Funny old game football, isn’t it?