they passed the extension and sent it to president obama s desk. president obama s desk was empty. he was not there. he was in europe. he was in france, to be specific. since this was a time-sensitive matter, the white house did not have many options. they put out this statement. failure to sign this legislation poses a risk to u.s. national security. the president will, therefore direct the use of the auto pen to sign it. auto pen. the auto pen isn t austrian. it s a robotic signature device that puts the president s actual signature on the document. use of the auto pen must be directed directly by the president. it happened three weeks ago. now, 21 members of congress are asking president obama to resign the patriot act without the auto pen with just an actual pen in his hand. the only other time the auto pen made national news is when it was revealed during the george w. bush administration that donald rumsfeld was using the auto pen to sign letters of condolence to the fa
about how much information they got from these kind of tactics. here it is. people are equating waterboarding with torture. and i think that s a mistake. the president of the united states authorized the waterboarding. it was done to three people by the cia, not by the military, and it produced an enormous amount of very, very valuable intelligence information. mr. carle, from your research is that comment correct? no, i think that it s not. it s a little bit like laurence olivier playing a dentist to dustin hoffman in marathon man and drilling a hole through someone s tooth but saying no pain, no pain. it simply is wrong. if you define waterboarding not as torture when you say that, well, it s not torture because i defined it not as torture, but it is. but the fact that it transgresses the uniform code of military justice, the convention against torture.
of course, from higher ups. but did they want to do it? did they want to do it? did they want to waterboard? i can t speak for the seventh floor. they were very careful to obtain legal authorization, and then to carefully define and establish parameters of what was acceptable or not. there are two levels enhanced interrogation techniques that were defined. standard and enhanced. the standard ones are designed to play psychological stress on the person. the enhanced ones are some physical measures. i, from the get-go, my involvement, refused to have anything to do with any physical measures. i had been trained, however, that psychological measures of measures to psychologically dislocate someone were effective. i found in fact, that really is not the case. you create someone who is stressed, miserable and angry, but not necessarily more willing to share information. glenn carle, we look forward to it. appreciate your time here on the ed show. president obama will visit
draw on your experience again, mr. carle. you are a former cia officer. what s the best way to get information out of people? well, the cia didn t wasn t in the business of interrogation. we re intelligence officers. i collect intelligence. i convince people in my career to provide secret information to the united states. those are the skills in the background that i brought and we all bring to the are brought to the task. i found that, as i went through the process of interrogating this individual and actually learning how to do it or concluding what made sense and what didn t that the way to do it is the same way, frankly, that one is a good case officer. and that is by developing a rapport. now perverse as the rapport will be by definition when you have an interrogator and a detainee,
of the upcoming book the interrogator. mr. carle, good to have you with us tonight. are these people wrong when they say that torture did the trick? well, i think it s a shameful sequel to a sordid chapter, really in american history. i had no direct involvement in the interrogation of khalid sheikh mohammed so i can t speak directly to that, but my understanding is the information that eventually broke the case and let us find osama bin laden was obstained a year after any enhanced interrogation techniques were stopped with him and had nothing directly to do with them. so i think the answer for that narrow fact is that the current rewriting of history is wrong and that as i understand it, enhanced interrogation techniques did not play a role in that. more broadly, they don t work. putting aside the serious questions of, are they right and