investigators. she refused to talk about even the most minute details of her time in the administration. joining me national political reporter glen costa and msnbc legal analyst. fellows, great to have you both. bob, let me start with you. your paper had this great interview with sater. we all read it. this morning he doesn t show up. what happened? at this moment it s hard to say why he is not showing up. he was going to be a window into the relationship between michael cohen, president trump and felix sater. what was the scope about this trump tower moscow project, he was the person in direct contact with cohen for so long. glen, was this a smart move or potentially legally risky? it s not legally risky. he wasn t under a legal obligation to appear. if subpoenaed, he will be. he will be. i can all but guarantee he will be now. it is curiosity.
in the context of harriet miers, former white house counsel asserting absolutely immunity. and he ruled 10 years ago there s no such thing. i think this is a good move by nadler. now we should get into the courts. hicks has not been charged with any crime. glen, thank you so much for coming on. bob costa, love having you on as always, appreciate it. still ahead, kirsten gillibrand joins us next. her strategy to stand out with the primary debates. first ones airing on phpbdz. that s next. first ones airing on phpbdz. that s next.