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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 14:10:00

this was, the very definition of an insurrection. and federal criminal law punishes those who incite the insurrection and those who give aid and comfort to the insurrection. based on what i see and know, that s exactly what donald trump did here. as a former prosecutor myself, i know that the prosecutors at doj are now looking at this report, obviously. but they ve got a different task. they ve got to figure out what can be proven in a federal criminal trial. what s admissible evidence. an excerpt of a video is not admissible in a federal trial. a defendant has a right to cross-examine witnesses. you can t cross-examine a videotape. the task for doj is to take all of the evidence and figure out what it is can be proven in a federal court that s admissible under the federal rules of

Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 14:37:00

that really made some of us fly down there to the border. how there seemed to be a double standard with certain people coming from different places. so you also have a donald trump that had played the game of i m going to build a wall. so, how do you deal with the politics, as well as the humanitarian side and enforce the law at the same time, where you don t look like it s different folks for different strokes by not having it different for different people. but at the same time, you enforce the law in a balanced way? good morning, rev. it s great to be with you all toe. your question is exactly right. i m from el paso, those images that you just saw, they break my heart. you know, folks on the streets. it s cold there, it s 32 degrees this morning. i was talking to my mom last night. and the city is under a lot of pressure. that being said, folks on the border, especially in my hometown of el paso have a nuanced view of immigration,

Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 14:17:00

what are the chances that it was just the irs that made a mistake and didn t do it? listen, i ve never been engaged in hyperbole related to this president but i can say very clearly, president trump is a liar. and president trump, you know, broke with all norms. and now, we have to do a once in a generation fix to fix this problem that we thought was addressed back in the 1970s. so, congressman, can we assume i assume we can assume that you ve seen the tax returns that you ve gone through the tax returns. is that accurate? yes. okay. so can you tell us about the charitable contributions? given donald trump s lack of character, charitable contributions, how much has he thrown into the pot? did he have receipts for the charitable contributions that he made? what s in the tax returns on that? the only thing i can tell you is that his charitable contributions, as reported by the jcp, the joint task commission are not

Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 14:08:00

concerning to me than the fact that everybody knows that donald trump is what all of us always knew. some of his followers would never be convinced if you had everything laid out on video, but the fact is we should never have lowered the standards of this country and the presidency for someone like donald trump. yeah. i don t disagree with you on that at all. let s jump to jeh johnson, if i could, mr. secretary, we watched the january 6th committee final hearing this week. the full report is coming out today. i m curious what you ll be looking for in that, or what will be of interest to you. and also, just overall, the four criminal referrals. we know the doj can choose to do whatever they want. they can ignore them if they want. they can ignore all of the information coming their way. chances are, they re not going to ignore it. but i m curious about the mark meadows, dan scavino and others,

Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 14:21:00

this, the next rally donald trump does, you know, i want him to explain to coal miners in west virginia, or the steelworkers in pennsylvania, why it is look them in the eye and explain why it is i get to pay less than federal income taxes than you, the so-called billionaire? yeah. you know, jeh, i think the president s most ardent supporters have to agree he s not above the law. he s got to follow the law. he s got to pay his taxes. and that s why the system was set up for these mandatory audits of presidents tax returns. and you know what, didn t happen. didn t happen the way it was supposed to happen. the resources weren t put towards it. it wasn t done in a timely basis. and people say why do you have to release his taxes in order to make sure there s an audit. because if we just said, oh, we found all of this stuff, we think there s got to be mandatory audits going forward legislatively, people say what are you basing it on?

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