they rejected it. if there was collusion with the russians, they would have used it. the collusion part, we re comfortable with because there is none. i don t know if that s a crime, inclucolluding with russ back now with robby mook, jim schultz and carrie cordero. was giuliani confused or confused last night or saying something different last night as part of a strategy? look, he s had a history of being imprecise, no question about that. the motivations behind that, whether there was motivations behind that, whether he is forecasting something, where he is spinning something, it s hard to tell, and it s been hard to tell. but i also think it s one thing he could have been doing, look, you saw the manafort, the fact that manafort sent the polling data over to the russians that was campaign polling data. and some of that is maybe he s anticipating spin that some of these actions that i think based upon the fact that he was not charged with conspiracy, meaning manafort to conspi
so november of 2016, spam hope hicks said, quote, there was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign. now we know that s not true, many times over. in february 2017, sarah sanders then repeated that lie, but added, to the best of our knowledge. so inserting some wiggle room there. then that march donald trump jr. told the new york times well, yes, i did meet with russians, but nothing was set up, and he wasn t representing the campaign. that was a lie, as was the meeting at trump tower was primarily about adoption. by december of 2017, the president s other tv lawyer, jay sekulow moved the goalpost again, telling the new yorker jeff toobin for something to be a crime there has to be a statute that you claim is being violated. there is a not a statute that refers to criminal collusion. there is no crime of collusion. by may last year, the line changed again and the goalpost moved with it. here is rudy giuliani saying there is nothing wrong w
election and rudy giuliani was saying maybe it is possible that the campaign was involved in this collusion. all he is saying trump himself didn t know about it personally but it s hard to credit that. what we have seen is that trump himself has been very involved but you add it up and it s a consistent pattern of elicit conduct by the president of the united states. thank you so much. i want to check in with chris and see what he is working on at the top of the hour. so, the point of the exercise for rudy giuliani was i have to interrupt. it was extraordinary and watching your face during it was extraordinary. that s why i don t pay poker.
here, right? they re just trying to turn up the temperature a little bit. hey, maybe there was collusion with the campaign so when it comes out people don t care anymore. and this is what s been going on for years now is every time something new comes out, they just shift the goalpost a little bit. so i remember during the campaign it was my god, russia would never steal e-mails from the dnc, and then they did. they moved the goalpost. then it was oh, well, the campaign would never have any communications with russia. then they did. they moved the goalpost again. and we re going get to the point now where i believe it will probably come out the president did know what was going on with the dnc and they re going to try to clear the field so nobody cares anymore. and that s where i think we all need to step back and realize this is a really big deal. i want to continue this conversation. we re going to take a quick break. we re going get more into it, including more on the mixed messag
here it is where donald trump was deeply involved in the payoff to stormy daniels during the campaign. it s not campaign money, no campaign finance violation. they funneled it through a law firm. funnel it through a law firm and the president repaid it. oh, i didn t know. he did. oh. was his latest statement last night to chris on collusion something like that, what the nixon white house once referred to as a modified limited hangout? was the tv lawyers on tv shows sometimes do, hinting at what s coming up in the next act. if that s what he is doing, getsing out ahead of robert mueller s next move, how is rudy giuliani to know? we ll talk more about that. robby mook, former trump white house lawyer and carrie cordero. she currently teaches at georgetown and is a cnn legal analyst. carrie, certainly a lot to wade through. but i want to start with the president s legal concerns. does the evolving message on collusion tell you what his