absolutely nothing. rick, as a communication director, this has to be again, just mad dening to you we re not even just talking about politics, we re talking about people s freedom. the possibility that they could be indicted, be tried and be sent to jail. on matters of politics and on matters of the law. these guys just can t sit down for five minutes and carve out a communications strategy. everybody is just shooting from the hip. it s this is not, this is not somehow donald trump being a renegade. being on the edge. this is just self-destruction. well, joe this happened between giuliani and the president. and the white house communications team was once again cut out of the loop. i want to make three points about what happened. first, let s be clear, michael cohen has flipped. that s what has happened.
behalf of each of us to keep us safe and these are the people we rely upon. and for mr. giuliani to openly attack these folks and, by the way, many of these individuals are the same individuals mr. giuliani relied upon in connection with the 9/11 attacks, in connection with the work he did in the southern district of new york u.s. attorney s office. these are the folks he relied upon and for him to effectively sell out and that s what he s done, he s sold out, make no mistake about it and to go on national television and take shots at these people and engage in half-truths and misstatements, it s an outrage, i couldn t agree with you more. willie, you talked about this. over the past two weeks republican major figures in the republican party doing donald trump s bidding have compared
not be interviewed but robert mueller is not going to finish this investigation without sitting down face to face with the president of the united states. on that very topic, the idea of that interview with the president, mayor giuliani last night said and other trump advisers suggested if there were to be an interview, it would be limited. i think rudy said something along the lines of we won t sit here for 12 hours, we can do two or three and they d want to limit the topics that could be discussed. how crucial is it for this president to sit down with robert mueller to have an interview with no set conditions? the idea that this interview is going to be limited to two or three hours or that it will be restricted in terms of the scope is absolutely absurd. trump is at the very least a subject and the line between being a subject and a target is very easily crossed. robert mueller needs and this investigation deserves to have an unprestrirestricted intervie
the president gave him authority to do things. and so this really was an exercise of legal representation, not campaign finance. you know, john edwards tried to make similar types of nuanced arguments. he ultimately, i have to say, did succeed, as we ve talked about in the past, i thought the john edwards prosecution was pretty weak. this would be weak in that sense as well. because these are hard crimes to prove. but what giuliani was saying would not be a perfect defense. jonathan turley, thank you very much for calling in. believe it or not, that was just part of what rudy giuliani said last night. just a small part. we ll compare and contrast what he said about the firing of jim comey, with what the president said nearly one year ago, we have many more people to hear from, we ll get to rick, eddie and kasie, after a quick break.
it seems that giuliani, he s making it up as he goes along. it s such a mom-and-pop operation that they can t even coordinate these stories to get their accounts in alignment. i was sitting there as i was watching the hannity interview, i was thinking of steven sondheim s send in the clowns. it s that bad. and when you kban it with the fact, joe, we have over and over again the fact, the reality, the kind of confirmation that these people lie with impunity. they just keep lying over and over again. now rudy giuliani joins the chorus of lying. the question beyond the kind of facts of the case, the question now that we know he s lied about stephanie clifford or stormy daniels, what will republicans do? what will white evangelicals do? he lied. what will be the political consequences of it? we know the answer. nothing.