delegation to ukraine because he wanted to counter the messaging from rudy giuliani, also that he summarized in a june meeting john bolton warning them about rudy giuliani. it keeps coming back. one of the remarkable things about this whole story is how all the pieces as complex as they are fit together. that there is this core of professional diplomats, professional people, who are bothered to say the least that there is this shadow foreign policy going on that they don t they can t control, they don t know about, but is seemingly directed by the president of the united states. anderson s testimony is part of the effort of the professionals, the people who are trying to do their jobs correctly, fighting back against the giuliani faction. but there s somebody else there was another name on that screen that you put up there and that s john bolton who is certainly not a foreign service, you know he is a professional