a huge caveat to make, given what we ve all just gone through, but if nothing changes here, and this framework agreement holds, then it does sound like, when they come back from this adjournment around 10:00 tonight, that mccarthy should have the votes for speaker by then. this buys them the time that they need to do this final straggler negotiating and hopefully get to where they need to go. heather cable, punchbowl news managing editor joining us. what are the next six and a half hours of kevin mccarthy s life look like. what is happening behind closed doors for him and his team? yes, i mean that s a great question. he and his allies are going to pressure these holdouts, right? there are six holdouts. three of them seem much more gettable than the other three. just before i came on tv, i saw andy biggs, eli crane, matt rosendale, the three that they think maybe they can get, meet with bob good, who they do not think will ever support kevin mccarthy, they left the capitol, they di
gettable? no. no, matt gaetz is not gettable. and i don t think the majority of the 20 or so people voting for someone other than kevin mccarthy are gettable. i can t stop thinking about lauren boeberts speech. donald trump created these people. but, now they re like the robots in terminator becoming self-aware and taking over. listen, chip roy may be gettable, but, the numbers, i see no path to victory for kevin mccarthy, the fact that all day they re on the floor and walking around and not having these conversations or making these negotiations, he hasn t flipped a single vote. the fact that he let this drag on to the second day to the 6th loss ballot and
have to get 218 republicans to adjourn. however, in a positive sign for mccarthy, chip roy told manu that they are seeing good faith negotiations, so, perhaps a deal will be worked out that some of these hard-liners will agree to the motion to adjourn so that they could go into meetings, and try to regroup. of course, there are a couple of questions there, first of all, they have to figure out how many people are gettable. chip roy was long seen as someone who is gettable t. it s unclear how many more people are in that camp. but, they re going to try and figure that out. that s what they re doing now, setting up negotiations, trying to figure out who is is going to be the emissaries for mccarthy to hash it out. as we ve seen, another 6th vote out for matt. chip roy may be gettable, he says he has rules that he would like to see, but, are these other, i mean, is a matt gaetz
down the speaker of the house. kevin mccarthy is willing to make it easier to bring the speaker down in order for him to be speaker. but these are things that were a long time coming and when you only think about the next day and you don t think long term, this is the situation that we re getting into. interesting. and trying to overcome 14 votes is really difficult. that will also say i ve seen a lot of crazier things happen when a deadline is looming. are any of the no votes persuadable? i think that is the chief question right now. and one of the chief concerns of mccarthy s allies. they are trying to figure out who is negotiating in good faith and who wants to watch kevin mccarthy crash and burn and has a personal vendetta against him. in the people like matt gates, andy biggs, they are seen as never going to vote for kevin mccarthy but the other dozen or so are seen as potentially more gettable. that is why you have him still working to get those votes to
news. on the other hand, you are also trying to turn out the democratic party faithful and people who believe in, for example, the truth about what happened on january 6th. we have been led to believe that those two groups of people do not overlap. that the people who believe in what happened on january 6th, which is a violent insurrection at the capitol, and the people who support donald trump, those are never the same groups of people have you found otherwise? i think there is some overlap there. i don t know. i m not smart enough to do the whole analysis of this, honestly. all i know is what i feel on the ground. and what i feel on the ground is, there are people who are absolutely on gettable. they are in that small group of people. and maybe it is 30 or 35% of the electorate. but they are unbeatable. and then there is a group that is, like, they voted for trump because the system is broken for them, whether it s the economic system, the retirement system, the health care syste