lead to very very vital intelligence that saved thousands of lives. i don t think if i were you that i could call him a liar if i wasn t there. well, i was there and what they are giving us as examples they got. they said they got ksm. i know they didn t get ksm. they said they got padilla, the dirty bomber, i know they didn t get padilla the dirty bomber. more importantly, sir, the cia s own investigation of the program real veeld that not one single imminent threat was stopped because of enhanced interrogation techniques. so is the department of justice investigation. so is the department of defense investigation. unfortunately for mr. rodriguez today we have volumes of documents that has been declassified by the government that tell us the truth about and when. bill: you say waterboarded and all of that came to not? nothing good was. i believe there is a big difference between having compliance and cooperation. our technique, the traditional technique used by cia and fbi and d