kind of complete hypocrisy or complete cynicism. i actually think that for somebody like george rekers or a ted hag erd, they probably hate themselves so much that they re attracted to the idea that homosexuality is a choice or homosexuality is curable and they re kind of desperate to prove they re desperate to prove themselves and be accepted by the heterosexual world. i guess when you book a flight with rentboy.com or something, you think of it as a choice. i guess that part is, guys. thanks. michelle, i don t think your orientation is a choice, by the way. i think god has a lot to do with this. thank you, sir, i love your organization. when we return, one thing politicians have cherished more than anything else, easy re-election. [ moans ] [ speaking native language ]
right. it suggests that homosexuality is something so incredibly tempting that only the strictest of taboos will stop everybody from indulging in it. this is the rhetoric of people deep in the closet. what do you make of that, well, it s a study, maybe it s worth something. what do you make testify? chris, it s not just limited to people who are strongly homophobic. you see it in different sectors of society. i m not making excuses for people like ted haggert and people like dr. rekers. but we still have institutionalized homophobia. it s not just religion, it s the rap music world. we talked in the prop 8 aftermath in california about the influence of homosexuality within the african-american community. we know in the reggae music world, even in country music last week when a country music singer came out as being a lesbian there was a lot of ap prehence.
his boyfriends. does he still deny to you that he s gay? yeah. yeah. you know, i actually asked him over the phone, do you think you re gay? and he just said no. reporter: lucien told me rekers had asked him ton share his story with the media. he just didn t want me to mention the massage aspect. you know. that s what it really was. he asked you not to? yeah, he had asked me not to. reporter: in response to the publicity, narth, where rekers is a board member, released this statement, saying it takes seriously the accusation that s have been made. in response to an e-mail from cnn rekers wrote, i am retaining the services of a defamation attorney in this matter because the fact is i am not gay and never have been. luci lucien, meanwhile, says he feels sorry for rekers. he enjoyed their european vacation together and would like to be his friend. he wants him to stop making anti-gay statements.
reporter: so he wanted you to touch him? well, yes. reporter: did you have sex with him on the trip? no. caller: did he ask you to? not at all. reporter: lucien showed me the contract he signed with rekers. for $75 a day it says he must carry the bags, provide a massage for at least one hour every day in the trip in their shared room, plus spend at least eight hours a day with him, including two meals. on rekers website a very different account of how he met lucien. by interviewing different people who might be able to help. and did not even find out about his travel assistant s internet advertisements offering prostitution activity until after the trip was in progress. there was nothing inappropriate with this relationship. and he emphasized he was not involved in any illegal or sexual behavior with his travel assistant. rekers is a board member for narth, the national association for research and therapy with home o sexuality, a group that says it helps people with
attractions. he s also the co-founder of the family research council, which promotes the traditional family unit. and in 2008 here in florida george rekers served as an expert witness in a case to uphold the law in a case banning gays and lesbians from adopting. in his writings he called gays a deviant segment of society. the state of florida paid him $120,000 for his testimony. attorney general bill mccollum told us rekers was recommended after an exhaustive search and because he had exceptional credentials. wayne bessen is with truth wins out, a group that exposes what it sees as hypocrisy in the anti-gay movement. he has helped create anti-gay attitudes and justify discrimination across the country. it seems rekers doesn t think gay people should raise boys, he thinks they should rent boys. so i think he s quite the hypocrite there. reporter: lucien says rekers knew he was gay before the trip because he had told him about