retired four star general barry mccafferty former member of the noourt council new msnbc military analyst, form u.s. ambassador and president of the chicago consular of global affairs. a privilege to speak to both of you. general mccafferty, i want to start with you and john kirby s comments. we ve talked about him on this program before. he doesn t he doesn t spin, but he seemed to be carefully he seemed to be careful about saying the brutal phase is under way, and the fact that the butcher of syria is in charge means the brutality is ongoing. does it also is there a worse after you ve seen what happened in bucha and have witnessed at least the reports and accounts of mariupol? what what are you bracing for learning has happened on the ground in ukraine? i don t think the general is going to change much dramatically at all. he is a ruthless person.
nativist nationalist far right themes, and unfortunately you have american conservatives who are willing to make a common cause with them including people like victor orban. it is so cynical. we ll keep that in mind. thank you so much for spending some time with us today. when we come back, we ll go live to ukraine and speak with general barry mccafferty the dangerous new phase the war is entering. stay with us. ring stay with us
he was, you know, hero of the russian federation for his work in syria, dropping barrel bombs on defensive civilians and poisoned gas. earlier in his career he did the same thing in chechnya. the guy s ruthless. the people that will be most afraid of him are his own generals. we ve seen putin as a strategic approach as targeted civilians and their infrastructure with attack from the air and starvation. nothing going to change in that sense. i don t think this general has a joint headquarters. he doesn t have a joint staff. there will be no new dramatic integration of air, land, sea, cyber operations by the russians. they re going to about thor against ukraine in the east, in the south, try and take odesa. i don t think their options are very good. the problem is we are under the
and procedures. i recently have been on a commit looking at sexual assault in the military, and when general mccafferty mentioned undue command influence, that was charged when president obama said something about we have to take these cases more seriously and the military did. well, why isn t president trump being charged with the same sort of undue command influence for everything he has done in this case and several others? general, i ll reflect on what jill is saying there and i want to add to this something that you probably have seen that came out in the last week or two, and that s from the military times. and the question was how favorable or unfavorable is your view of president donald trump, of those from the military. and those from the military responded as a 50% favor very unfavorable or unfavorable. so at least half of those polled in the military saying we do not see the president favorably. i ask this here, general,
our armed forces are a disciplined, volunteer force of 2.1 million men and women. and they re still in combat. so we ve got to maintain our standards, and mr. trump has got to stay out of that. always great to have both of you. general mccafferty and jill wine-banks on a very important topic on this saturday. go and have a great saturday. thank you so much. still to come, a pillar of american democracy at risk again, a new report detailing the russian threat to your vote. how they ve already hacked the voting system and what, if anything, can be done to stop them. at lib butchumal- cut. liberty biberty- cut. we ll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. nyquil severe gives you powerful relief for your worst cold and flu symptoms, on sunday night and every night.