risen from a0 to 1,800. now, that suggests that perhaps it isn t that children are experiencing something fundamentally different. it s just standards of diagnosis and the way clinicians are dealing with this is fundamentally changing. is that what you think? well, i actually think. i mean, it goes back to your earlier question about my experience growing up. as i said to you, when i was growing up, when i turned on the television or opened a newspaper the internet was very ropey in those days but i didn t see any trans people, so therefore i did not come out until my 20s. what is happening now, i think, is that more and more young people are aware of the existence of gender diversity, of trans people, of gender nonconforming people. and so a lot of young people are able to give voice to what some people have always felt. and i think. you know, it s those statistics about the rise in referrals to gender identity development services for young people can be used as a sort
of gender nonconforming people. and so a lot of young people are able to give voice to what some people have always felt. and i think. you know, it s those statistics about the rise in referrals to gender identity development services for young people can be used as a sort of scare tactic. but provided the services are good, it s good. yeah, well, the tavistock clinic, which is at the centre of what has been happening, the government has now said it should be closed down. its gender identity services are going to be closed down in the next few months. and when you talk about experiences, let s talk about one particular experience. i just wonder whether it gives you pause. keira bell. she s gone public with her own experience. she was put on puberty blockers at the age of 16. and a year later, she says she was receiving testosterone shots. when she was 20, she had a double mastectomy. this is her words. the further my transition went, the more i realised i wasn t a man and never woul
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