capture detainee with a vital piece of information about the next attack or about some new development and i think that program provides us with the capacity to collect that intelligence. i think it s clear that those techniques that the cia used worked. to have taken them away and ruled them out i think they be a mistake. it s not clear to me that we have any way to effectively interrogate them. we don t have enhanced interrogation anymore. we read people the miranda rights. you can t deny we got valuable information from these folks. director panetta went on to say it may be an open question if we got it through other means. this way worked. joining me now stephen kleinman, a former senior in tear gay toi