american conservative magazine. both fox news contributors to and great friends of us and each other. nice to have you on. this is very interesting topic. a lot of directions to take it. in general, ellen, what do you think of this? i think actually phil needs to apologize and move on. a lot of people say things that are offensive or upsetting on television and radio. we all make mistakes and he just needs to apologize. he offend ad whole group of people. in terms of the religious aspect, there are lots of gay church that is follow christ. lots of metropolitan community church being one of them. dignity, a catholic group. so i think that it doesn t mean that people aren t following christ just because they are, happen to be gay or homosexual and a have child that is gay or homosexual. jenna: jim what do you think about that? an apology and move on, do you think that will be the end of it? i will say i don t agree with robertson said but i defend his right to say it. there is free
perth of the waters, whi perth, there are 45 page rendering of a single meeting. those were 14 hours people in a church without air con dic-coni in the south in the summer. the air of spring after the friday mosque meetings, okay. troy perry s church, the metropolitan community church, the gay church. he said to me in an interview, it was a church. we were toothed every sunday. one of the movement points that i think is important that you see in the polling about equality for lgbt folks is the more people know somebody who is lgbt, the more there is support among people who know though folks. and i think if you want an analogous use an analogous example, we have a situation in this country where we have poverty. one in seven or one in eight people are impoverished. it s harder and harder to say poverty is over here. it s the other. now it s everywhere.