ledgers that is false, so the fact that there are potentially north of 30. charges here does not necessarily mean that it s a vastly broader indictment than what folks. gatien going on. so it s also possible that there are different charges in there as well. so in this case, if there are, you know, reportedly more than 30 charges. what does this tell you about how the information will be relayed to the court? i ve heard terminology. like what is it a talking indictment that there s a story might be told. what are your expectations? well it s so it s called a speaking indictment and complicated white collar cases. prosecutors do it this way in order to kind of educate anyone reading the indictment about the scheme itself. that s not as typical in state court as it is in federal court, but in a case like this with this much scrutiny on it, i do expect that prosecutors will take the opportunity in the indictment to lay out the scheme a bit to explain how it all came