get down to some deep things that, you know, that i think people don t necessarily want to address, but it s that time. so your mention about the history there, tamika, i want to pose this to gary. were you surprised to see 15,000 haitian migrants showing up at the border at the same time? i mean, what is your understanding of what all led to this surge? thanks for having me, first of all, alex. the response is, no, i was not surprised because this is what is going on, these people have been living extremely difficult and challenging lives in south america, primarily chile and mexico. you have a large encampment of haitians in tijuana, and they simply cannot endure the hardship that they were facing, and they decided this moment was a because of the temporary protective status that president biden had issued a couple months
sizable haitian community. the haitian community has risen to the occasion, like tamika said she was working with the haitian bridge alliance. that s one of the lead organizations trying to find shelter to try and get them settled into the country. right now, alex, we have a chronic unemployment in this country. service industries are looking for people, okay? and we have people who are capable and who want to work, so let s get these people settled and get them to work. a lot of them are fluent in spanish and creole and french and some english. they re ready to work. there s no need to deport anyone back to haiti. let s stop that. it was a panic move and right now tamika said the public pressure worked and so let s get these people settled in and really do the right thing for once. everything doesn t have to be about politics. do the right thing. i am really grateful for the conversation you both have brought to this show. thank you so much tamika mallory, garry pierre-pierre,
you asked mr. pierre how he felt when he saw those images. from my perspective, when i saw the image of the person who believes somehow that they are a cowboy whipping i don t care what anyone says, yes, it s a rein, but nonetheless there was whipping that happened there at the border i thought of george floyd being choked to death by derek chauvin, i thought of black men being killed by police in this nation. we ve got a problem with the way america addresses and deals with black people. i have trouble looking at these videos. you see this one border patrol agent circle around his whip, it s not a whip, but reins that could be interpreted as being a whip. it s really horrific. everything you ve said has been comprehensive, tamika, i m so glad you put it all out there. it needs to be addressed in just the manner that you set up. but very quickly to you, garry, do you even know back to the beginning if there s a clear dhs directive on who gets deported? i mean, it doesn t seem to be
images show physical contact between agents reins and migrants. those images prompted flashbacks to historical representations of slavery like this one tweeted by the naacp, and to the segregation era when black americans were widely targeted for violence by white civilian men on horseback. it is horrible what you saw, to see people treated like they did, horses running them over and people being strapped, it s outrageous. i promise you those people will pay. there s an investigation underway now, and there will be consequences. there will be consequences. it s an embarrassment, it s beyond an embarrassment. it s dangerous. it s wrong. it sends the wrong message around the world. it sends the wrong message at home. it s simply not who we are. joining me now, tamika mallory, and gary pierre, pulitzer prize journalist and founder of the haitian times. tamika you first, you spoke out
disasters. too much. too many people have died who could have been saved. absolutely. our heart goes out to the people of haiti who have suffered so much and continue to suffer. gary pierre pierre, always a pleasure. thank you for your insights. thank you for having me. president biden says the u.s. trained afghan military collapsed along the taliban to take over. what message does that send to the hundreds of thousands of americans who served in afghanistan? that s next. we re going to talk to a u.s. marine corps combat veteran that completed multiple tours of duty in in a country. you re watching ayman mohyeldin reports. a country. you wreatching ayman mohyeldin reports. we welcome change? we can make emergency medicine possible at 40,000 feet. instead of burning our past for power, we can harness the energy of the tiny electron. we can create new ways to connect. rethinking how we communicate to be more inclusive than ever. with app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions,