Not just about that but hearing, vision anything that is not an element that was the way that i look perhaps or something you know, you frame it in a way that person might understand. And sometimes you have to be rather abrupt with it but it goes back to your civil right. Would you hire a veteran . Of course. Would you hire a person in a wheelchair . No. You couldnt, really . Thats a different conversation. You would be in violation of the law then. Youre good with that . Yeah so theres a lot of that too so its all about the visual. How do you get them to understand why the code is written that way. I find that in my role at Sutter Health so my job is to i basically see myself as the quarterback for disability Compliance Program so theres the policies and procedures but also the barrier removal, so i am kind of the quarterback for the team of planners and architects and everybody thats involved with building care sites or doing barrier removals and reporting on the progress there, and
And ida claire with the division of state architect. She couldnt be here today. We had sue mo with the division of state architect who couldnt be here. We have stoyan [inaudible] of housing and community development. [applause] and we had participant from American Institute of architects, California Council kirk [inaudible] and gary [inaudible] [applause] we have one of our other commissioners michael pairvana. Looks like he is in sacramento at this point and we got more envelopes. Who am i leaving out . Myself. [laughter] [applause] [inaudible] with that i hope i didnt omit anybody. Thank you very much for all the hard work and the group [inaudible] and product and look forward to evolving this thing and making sure it is working for everybody. Thank you. [applause] just to conclude our section we look forward to all of you continuing the work on making california one of the most the most accessible state in the union because believe me i travel a lot and we are better than most, but
Or 25 years ago it passed all of the inspections, so im grandfathered. Have we ever heard that . All the time. Does anybody want to talk about that because its really a conundrum . This grandfathering thing, any panelists . Well there is a certain amount of truth to that because if it was built by the accessibility code during that time and enjoys a safe harbor and unless its a item new in the code they cant use it, but its one of the things about the checklist you maybe looking at a building where they put the switches at 54 inches above the floor and if you use the checklist it says 48 so explaining that difference to people is important. As a practicing cass arnie do you find that to be easy to explain to your clientele in your experience that they have a safe harbor issue or possibly it was built wrong and doesnt qualify for the safe harbor . Well at this point the first thing i ask them is do you want to meet current code thats in place right now or do you want me to look at what
A very looks neat but its not very functional with a set of stairs and the fact theyre using lines groves instead of the warning line it makes it very hard and yet a lot of architects still think that is okay. [inaudible] one of the this is commissioner dolim and the textbook and the examples that we all have in our career come up and i was trying to explain to a client with a strip mall and why they needed identification for the suites. We were arguing and no other way to see it and were in a vacant suite. I cant afford this and i have to go to the bankruptcy judge and get money because the property was in foreclosure and this isnt going to help anybody and right then the door was swung open and a lady that was blind and threw the door open and said is this the hair salon and i am late and is this suite 204 and like i prompted that but unfortunately it was really a situation you were talking about the signage. We were talking about the tactile signage that would identify the suites in
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