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violent arizona skinhead movement. i was the notorious leader of that skinhead group. my lifestyle is full of hate and violence. with all of that hype, i was expecting shawn gaines to be a very intimidating character. but when i first met him, he wasn t. he looked a little bit more like a benign pudgy teddy bear. he was nice. i ve taken up drawing. i can t quite say i m an artist. but i like to draw a lot. three times a year i draw a large stack of cards and i donate it to the children s hospital. gaines didn t become a leader in the skinheads by being nice. i was power hungry, got caught up in the hype of telling a bunch of other grown men what to do. all the girls would flock to that scene. it s a nonstop party and i mean, it s like you can do no wrong. you talk a bunch of [ bleep ], you beat people up, cause hate, discontent. that s how i made my rise to power in the skinhead movement.

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