go into tripoli because it s an an urban area. right. arthel: speaking about the rebels, how dependable are they really? well, that s the big $64,000 question at this point. we did move into this without a real clear understanding, with very limited ground intelligence about what comes in once gadhafi goes. what does that opposition look like? it s a mixed bag, to be sure. i think we have to be careful in trying to say the opposition is this or that. there are a variety of elements there, but the one thing is for certain, the muslim brotherhood has been active on the eastern side of libya for decades. al-qaeda has used benghazi and other parts of eastern libya for recruiting fighters to move into iraq and afghanistan. so we know that they re taking advantage of this chaos at this point. how much influence do they have once this ends up being some type of stalemate is unclear and i don t think anybody really has a feel for that.
well, i think it s not a matter of a safe haven. i think it s a problem of gadhafi s mentality. gadhafi believed until now that the people likes him. he really thought the people supported him? that s what he believed. he really believed it? that s what he believed. he s living in a different world, i believe. he lost touch with reality. libyan people offered him a safe exit. but until now, we don t see anything positive. i have here like many other that maybe there s a chance for him to negotiate and president sarkozy of france, he mentioned something that britain and france are working for a peaceful solution. that s what we want. the libyan people want to get rid of him. because if he s there, there s nobody secured. the problem is not the army, the problem is gadhafi. if you want to save the libyan civilian you believe if you cut off in this case, if you cut off the head, if gadhafi goes, all of his troops, either the ones that
he lost touch with reality. libyan people offered him a safe exit. but until now, we dot e anhi pite. i have here like many other that maybe there s a chance for him to negotiate and president sarkozy of france, he mentioned something that britain and france are working for a peaceful solution. that s what we want. the libyan people want to get rid of him. because if he s there, there s nobody secured. the problem is not the army, the problem is gadhafi. if you want to save the libyan civilian you believe if you cut off in this case, if you cut off the head, if gadhafi goes, all of his troops, either the ones that are libyan join the opposition and the ones that aren t, they disappear? of course. as far as gadhafi, there s a danger there, if gadhafi is removed, we ll be able to get together again. this is not about a regime? this is one person? one person, and the close alliance to him who use them,
i think as a sheer matter of politics, if gadhafi goes, it will be seen as a success probably regardless of what follows as long as there s some someone who can keep the country together who is not a murderer on gadhafi s scale but this is the big experiment. we really have no idea and frankly didn t know in bosnia or kosovo or afghanistan either once you took the rock, totalitarian rock that was keeping society down. it seems to me odd we haven t answered these questions, we don t identify the goal or explain why we re going to libya. we don t try to estimate what would be next before we go to war. we re three days in, an american plane hit the ground and it s the american people s, not only barack obama. the american people as in many things want to define the goal in a broad way, get rid of this guy but don t want to pay the costs and it s that fundamental dichotomy that is creating the politics that barack obama is trying to operate in. isn t it incumbent on our leaders t
said secretary of state hillary clinton says gadhafi may not be as confident as he appears. and that he may be considering exile. take a listen. we heard about other people close to him. reaching out to people that they know around the world, africa, middle east, europe. north america. beyond. you know, saying what do we do? how do we get out of this? what happens next? i m not aware he personally reached out but i do know people allegedly on his behalf have been reaching out. pat buchanan, let s say gadhafi slips out of libya. finds a place to seek exile. and this ends in a week. that s a big win. politically and militarily for the president, isn t it? i think if gadhafi goes, i think it is a victory for the united states and intervention will be seen as successful. the problem is that was a defiant man we saw on our