form of the defection yesterday of mussa cues athe foreign minister and former head of external intelligence, and there are many stories now of other senior libyans who are allegedly on the point of defecting one it seems has defected, one in cairo. that is significant and does indicate cracks in the in the gadhafi circle. i m interested in your take on the military dynamic right now. we seem to be involved in a bit of a seesaw battle, but something that appears to be aproechg a stalemate. is there any way to break out of the stalemate, and if so, what would it require in terms of assistance to the opposition forces? i think there is a military stalemate or very soon it will be a stalemate because the rebel side or the opposition side, whatever we re calling them, don t have the the logistic ability to move large quantities of fuel and ammunition and
of gadhafi s son. i would say it s relating to islam in some way rather than relating to colonel gadhafi himself. that s just a guess. even if his visit relates to the son, saif, does that indicate there are beginning to be cracks in support that gadhafi, the father, has within both his family and the concentric circles that emanate out from him such that his base of support within tripoli would begin to disintegrate? no, i wouldn t see this as evidence of that. we have evidence of that in the form of the defection yesterday of foreign minister and former head of external intelligence, and there are many stories now of other senior libyans who are allegedly on the point of defecting one it seems has defected, one in cairo. that is significant and does indicate cracks in the in the gadhafi circle.
for gadhafi. that s the chairman of the house committee, mike rogers, calling the defection of musa musa kusa huge. the question is whether this start a crack that will reverb rate around gadhafi s inner circle? will we see other defections come right afterwards? it s hard to know because gadhafi is so incredibly opaque. there are two sides of the gadhafi circle. there are the non-family members, and there are the family members, like gadhafi himself, like kamese, like other members of the family. we could start to see all the others leave which could isolate it to just the gadhafis themselves, and that could end up isolating more people in this country. it s hard to know. another place where the inner circle and the inner workings
supporters that there will be chaos when the regime final lly falls and it looks inevitable that they re starting to come apart with senior defections and no longer effectively resisting on the outskirts of tripoli. what do you think this means? do you think this means that gadhafi forces are weaker or the rebels are stronger? there s a momentum of the psychology of these kinds of things. i think it was very important that we start to see people in the inner ring of the gadhafi circle now on tv, al jazeera tv, from italy, from egypt talking about the end of the regime. so either we should expect to see gadhafi murdered by his own people or he ll probably flee in the coming days, weeks, to one of the african companies that have supplied mercenary fighters to keep him in power. do you think he could stay in power? i know we talked about this a