putin cannot have full control over ukraine s national security policy, such that he can place his forces in ukraine s west, right along the border with four nato nations. i know a major part of the peace talks appears to be that ukraine making a formal declaration of neutrality, and accepting limits on its armed forces. would that be a workable condition? or with that and itself be a violation of ukrainian sovereignty, and a threat to europe? look, ultimately, the decision on questions like that will be ukraine s, not americas, specifically not mine, as a former officials. we know our status right now. but i don t think ukraine will agree, and i don t think ukraine will need to agree, as long as we support ukraine strategically. the conditions which make them vulnerable to a future russian invasion. so with that in mind, it s very
protect themselves against a future russian invasion. do we know what the outlines of such a security guarantee might be? reporter: well, the ukrainians want an article five economy. it s outlined in the nato charter essentially saying if one country is alacked in the alliance, the entire alliance has to come to their defense. the u.s. has been asking for a guarantee. if ukraine is attack in the future. they want the rest of the west to come to their defense. there are two brie big problems, first it s unclear if russia will agree to that the whom idea has to do with them not wanting ukraine after the support. the second, of course, has no do