when it comes to this kind of fumigation, when it comes to something like tiktok, it is of addictive. the things they enjoy, they are sending things to your friends. that data chain is rich in the detail about the private nature of competent those conversations. they use it to get to other apps. they may be making an effort. it may be a good faith effort but the chinese communist party wants access to it. they will find a channel and we will wake up thinking, gosh, we thought we had it solved. laura: biden this weekend was asked about the tariffs on china. this is what he said. president biden: i ain t telling you. reporter: have you made up your mind with the china tariffs, sir? president biden: we are in the process of doing that. reporter: you are lifting the tariffs? president biden: i m in the process of making up my mind. laura: was that before he fell or after? i m not sure when that was but