all of this, wind up the formation of the fsec by michae coh cohen. there are a lot of things that aren t aboveboard. larry noble, republican strategist rick wilson. he was also the strategist for rudy giuliani s 2010 campaign, and media correspondent host of financial services, brian stelter. good to see all of you. brian, we begin with you. what in the world just happened, giuliani, avenatti, on the air to defend their best clients, right? is this who can win in the battle of public opinion well before possibly going to court? yeah, my generous explanation of rudy s tv tour is he s giving the interviews the president wishes he could give himself. the president would love to be out there on tv defending himself, but his aides and lawyers are constantly telling him not to do that.