you think it was the stupidest war we ever fought. but that s just my thinking. what do you think? where were you guys when bush was here? well we were there. i think what happened was, i mean it was october 2008. when t.a.r.p. was passed, that the entire, you know, kind of frustration about republicans rose to a real height. and i think that the automobile bailout, and then the takeover and then the stimulus package really drove us out onto the streets in protest. so i think that there was a rumbling during you know, during, i think it s a nonpartisan movement and there was a rumbling during bush that really peaked with the stimulus package. exactly. frs gentlemen, one last question, yes or no. if john mccain had won the election in november of 2008, you fellows would be right where you are right now with the tea party, just as mad as hell. you, first, colin and then ryan. you d be just as mad if mccain had won, continuing the bush