jones says? we ll bring you the results later on in the show. well, so we re at a crossroads here. everybody in the government is trying to get this pastor to back off. he says he s got a deal. he doesn t have a deal. we ve got cross chatter on that. defense secretary robert gibbs calls this guy and tells him to back off. there s the religious community out there saying, gosh, where do we stand on this? how do we handle this guy now that he s been elevated to the point where the president of the united states is responding to him is where you don t want to be. joining me is reverend jim wallace, the president and of sojourners and reverend barry lind, executive director of americans united for separation of church and state. well, gentlemen, we ll start with you, reverend lind, first. what should we do as a country right now? we don t know what to believe what the heck s going on? no, i think but you re absolutely right in suggesting that the administration handle this very poorly.