modeling business which was this sort of grubby rub unprofessional business and got hold of it by the scruff of its neck and turned it into an industry actually. the women that she mentored and had live with her reflected her strength and her direction, and, you know, if you look at people like jerry hall, you know, even naomi campbell they were stro presences. these were strong models that doesn t want to disappear and she was an extraordinary woman and amazing entrepreneur. a lot more to get to. julie pace, thank you, by the way. sam, stay with us. joanna, you ll join us later in the hour when we ask the question as to whether casual fridays hurt women s status in the workplace. a new book argues that case. the author is going to join us as well ahead. fame and celebrity chef rachael ray will be here to shed