any indication that progress was made? well, progress was made in that they didn t fall apart. so that s good, right? these were five hours of talks. no one went there for the sake of it and then walked away. this was not the two presidents meeting on this border but they did send senior level delegations and aide to president putin was there and president zelenskyy, as well as ukraine s defense minister. both sides saying they re open to new talks in the coming days. both sides saying that they mapped out areas for further discussion. ukraine went into those talks saying what we are demanding is that there s an immediate cease-fire and that russia withdraws their troops. russia certainly did not agree to that just yet. so it s too soon to say that there was progress, but there s no evidence that the fighting is going to stop in the meantime. want to go to fred polleitge.