trump, that trump actually did the violence. trump actually spoke words, that gets into a trap above first amendment and speech, as he said. he did it, it s in their, but it s not getting charge that way, and i think it s beautiful. last thought, this is not over. as we have said, six coconspirators, hard to imagine that all of them will roll over and cooperate and give it up and not get a charge. there is this terrible thing, those conspirators are accused of. they need to get charged. i don t think this is over. why do you think that they will all flip? allen weisselberg went to records for trump. frank? yeah, i don t think it s logical to imagine the all six of these people are going to flip. i think some of them are going to hunker down, and they will get charged. that s why it s not written. joyce, how come they are not named? it s believed the number one appears to be rudy giuliani, but why wouldn t jack smith
with the, let s get smarter and bring in our lead off panel. they had their work cut out for them tonight. peter baker is with us, chief white house correspondent for the new york times. katie benner, pulitzer prize -winning justice department reporter, also with the new york times. former u.s. attorney joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor, glenn kirschner, also a former federal prosecutor and frank louise e, the former fbi assistant director for counter intelligence. i really want to start with going around the horn and getting everyone s reaction to what was in this indictment. peter, what stood out to you? look, i think that this indictment more than the other two gets to the heart of the matter, right. the last two were important subjects, hush money, classified documents, national secrets. this is an indictment that goes through the heart of the question of american democracy, charges the former president of the united states for the first time while in office
frank, what did you see in the 45 pages? i see a chilling tale of how close we came, all of us, the store said, to literally being the fraudit of our civil rights, our right to a fear and fair election. if you re listening to the show, watching the show, you re an american citizen, you are almost defrauded by the president of the united states, who is hard to steal an election from us, i think on this topic of violence, and my first quick read at the indictment, where is the january six security? where is the right? where is the breach at the capitol? but it s in there. it s in there and a very masterful way because the violence according to smith was leveraged, was used to get pence, pressure pence, pressured the public, pressure congress to doing what trump wanted. you see all the people that i got outside, see how violent they are, and he stayed, smith mass freely stayed away from