together with sensible and smart targeted cuts in the out years and get it all done. all right well i want to thank the congressman, go on. what dot republicans say to you, joy, frame theed the question well a minute ago. when you say to them, mitt romney and you and all the other republicans were for closing loopholes, just last fall during the presidential campaign. and now you re saying it s an unconscionable tax increase to do what you just supported a few months ago? what s their answer to that? they ve always taken the position that you can t eliminate one special tax break for the purpose of reducing the deficit. you can only do it for cutting rates somewhere else, which goes to your point, jonathan, which is their real interest here, is not reducing the deficit or debt. if that was their primary objective, why would you oppose closing a tax break for hedge fund managers or big oil companies in order to reduce the deficit? that s not their priority. grover norquist told us