Gathered behind me here, and we are waiting at this Convention Centre in birmingham for the official final declaration, so at the moment all we know is that Labour Sources are saying that they have won. If that is the case, that would be a huge coup for the party and for sir keir starmer, the incumbent conservative mayor andy street is still hoping, it has been hoping for a third term here, and it was very fought race, and throughout the day, both partys sources have been telling me that they believed it was a knife edge, they believed it was a knife edge, the result here. But as we are hearing from the labour party now, they believe they have pulled it off, and Richard Parker, their candidate, has won. I was down on the floor five minutes ago, Richard Parker was down there as were other members of the labour party, Jess Phillips mp as well. They had all just go down on the floor, we didnt really know why, but they all seemed fairly positive. Could that have been the first sign before
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and glen kirschner, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. you wrote an essay arguing that this is not the man we saw in new york all of those decades ago. so when you hear the mayor say he has not changed, what goes through your mind? look, i mean, rudy giuliani was considered kind of a paragon of integrity in the 1980s. i tell the story about an old childhood friend who came to visit giuliani with a framed picture of the two of them together when they were children. giuliani took the picture out of the frame, took the picture, and gave the frame back, and he said i can t take that frame. he was just scrupulous about his ethics. that is not the giuliani we re seeing today, the person who s tried to overturn the election, someone who pushed the fake elector scheme, someone who told falsehoods about the election