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Violence not to take over the country but to get the white minority regime to listen to the demands of black people. But even early in 64, Martin Luther king was calling for Nelson Mandelas release. In 1965, he spoke in london and called for internal sanctions. He echoed that in the 80s. And, of course, as you know, the Free South Africa Movement in which president obama spoke about being a part of as a young student was very much a part of the ultimate number of things that brought an end to apartheid in south africa. I was here in 85. And as you said, it was a gruesome, gruesome period. And i went to a hilltop so that i could overlook the prison where they said Nelson Mandela had a garden that he used to tend. And i was so hoping, if i couldnt see him, i could see the garden. But, of course, i was followed by state security people and had to leave in a hurry. There you are, pictures of you, as a young woman sitting down with Nelson Mandela. That was at the council on Foreign Relation

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