i want to bring in nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engle in kiev, ukraine and john brennan and senior national security intelligence analyst. listen, a lot of headlines coming out of that, q&a session, fairly thorough from the national security adviser who characterized this conversation as direct and straight forward on the part of both leaders. that president biden he emphasized laid out an alternative path. interesting noting the white house, the president, doesn t believe that putin has made up his mind on whether to even vad ukraine formally or not. that is why president biden laid out a different alternative essentially. you heard this discussion was not speeches, jake sullivan was clear. this was back and forth a. give and take. president biden looked vladimir putin in the eye, things we didn t do after the invasion of crimea, we are prepared to do now. i want to come to you in a