and what does that tell us about howel risky our own behavior is right now? what does that tell us about what a reasonable expectation should be about what russia will do in response to our actions to help ukraine? what does that tell us about what else can be done by us, by everybody else in the world who wants to help them, to help ukraine win this and end this? joining us now is david, the editor of the new yorker, and also a former moscow correspondent for the washington post and won a pulitzer prize for a book he wrote based on his time there, which is called lennon s tomb, the last days of thele soviet empire, thanks for being here. thank you. i m asking those questions in that introduction tonight, because i honestly don t know whatly the answer to them is bui feel like our assumptions are getting a little wobbly, our expectations about putin s behavior, not just towards ukraine but towards us are starting to be rdmismatched wit what we re seeing from him in
hastily putting its stamp where it can in mariupol ahead of its victory holiday on monday. a russian flag been seen flying above a city hospital. signs have been changed from ukrainian to russian. and adviser to mariupol s mayor soviet era statues are popping up across the city. today ukrainian force in northeast ukraine are having some success against the russians and for the first time the ukrainian general staff is accusing russia of blowing up bridges to slow down ukrainian counterattacks, a sign, of course, that russian offensive in kharkiv may not be going well. but russia is also touting the progress in the region. it claims to have destroyed a large stockpile of western weapons at a railway station northwest of kharkiv. but cnn cannot independently verify either of those claims. jill dougherty is professor at georgetown university and cnn s former moscow chief and she
ukraine and this week sent a protest letter to washington over the growing weaponry being sent. but the state department says friday that nothing will dissuade the u.s. from continuing its support. alex marquardt, cnn, washington. jill dougherty is adjunct professor at georgetown university, also cnn s former moscow bureau chief. good to see you. okay. to start with, what is your read on russia s warning to the u.s. on those western arms being shipped? i mean, calling unpredictable consequences and so on. what are the risks that the russians my bomb convoys of western arms inside ukraine? oh, i think they might. as alex pointed out, they are already threatening to do that and they could. i mean, they made the case, i think it was a couple of days ago, where they actually said, you know, all it s according to the rules of war, we can do
house. jill dougherty is an adjunct professor at georgetown university s walsh school of foreign service. she s also cnn s former moscow bureau chief. good to see you, jill. to start with, what is your read on russia s warning to the u.s. on those western arms being shipped? i mean calling for unpredictable consequences and so forth. what are the risks russians might bomb convoys of western arms inside ukraine? i think they might. as alex pointed out, they re already threatening to do that, and they could. i mean they made the case. i think it was a couple of days ago, where they actually said, you know, according to the rules of war, we can do this because it s, you know, material that can be used offensively. therefore, we can hit it. now, whether they will do that, i don t know. but you would have to think that if it s being used by the ukrainian military, then they
those are war crimes and attributable directly. this is an army under the command of vladimir putin. and peter baker, as a former moscow bureau chief, you know putin s in charge, he s defined the terms of the engagement. he didn t even have a commander in charge of the whole command operation. his orders, his decisions. it won t be hard to prove chain of command or intent given the past statements about how ukraine isn t even a country. it belongs to russia. i think that s exactly what you said is right. in other words, i m not a lawyer and i can t tell you what qualifies in a legal sense. he may not be trying to wipe out ukrainians as an entire people but he is trying to wipe out the idea of ukrainians as a separate people. he does not believe ukrainians are people, does not believe ukraine as a nation and clearly