forfeiture of wrongdoing, in existence in illinois over 160 years. so i think it will be an uphill battle in the appellate division. but have you to understand the hearsay laws and the exceptions, because there are several of them a dozen or so, 20 to 30. but you really have to understand the facts of the case. if in fact, there is a situation like drew s law or the doctrine of forfeiture of wrongdoing, understand the ramifications and how to get that evidence into the court. this case was purely a conviction by the jurors based on the fact that the hearsay evidence came in, period, the end which is another part of that. the case was based on the fact that years later, they exhumed the body to the second autopsy, after the initial one was ruled accidental and then brought the charges up. david, i want to tell you, when i was there, tell me how you would handle a defendant like