to do that we have given up trying to do, what s changed? what happened was, this is a classic thing in government. when the original mission catch bin ladin failed, we responded by making the mission bigger. if we had caught bin ladin in december 2001, american troops would not be in afghanistan. we are left politically without catching him? we tried to catch him, we couldn t? obviously fought. president bush decided he couldn t do that, president obama decided he couldn t do it. what are you thinking about our campaign over there for all these years? our mission, all those guys killed? your thoughts. john. it started as a counterterror campaign as david says, it became counterinsurgency. we don t do counterinsurgency well. very few people do. one of the things so important about this i think is it is a kind of forever war, because terrorism is a forever problem. it s a forever crisis. it s a forever threat. and we have now reached, this has lasted far longer than the