center of the scandal and the person who if he wasn t actively involved in this, should have been actively involved in it. and i think he s sort of been greatly diminished over the last six weeks and his political future back in kansas today for the fourth time doing interviews. you wonder if he s wondering whether he s made the right bet. elliot. the washington post is reporting that in august the trump administration delayed restoring trade privileges to ukraine after john bolton warned the president wouldn t want to take action benefitting ukraine. does this suggest that the pressure campaign went beyond with holding military aid? we have every reason to believe it does. that s why we need to hear from all of the senior officials. to get to the bottom of the rogue foreign policy run by
the president wouldn t want to take action benefitting ukraine. does this suggest that the pressure campaign went beyond with holding military aid? we have every reason to believe it does. that s why we need to hear from all of the senior officials. to get to the bottom of the rogue foreign policy run by mayor giuliani. this rogue foreign policy outside of the secretary of state. his piece talks about this today. frankly john bolton is another individual who has more of an incentive to speak now that he s not a government official. these are people that number one the american people need to hear from. and we are likely to hear from at some point. at a certain point the stone walling it s always so much they can stone wall.
yovanovitch from her post early. i think it s one more sign of the white house strategy of not complying is crumbling. he sent a letter to speaker pelosi saying that they did not consider the impeachment inquiry to be legitimate essentially and people would not be testifying and documents would not be submitted. that was followed up yesterday by mike pence, vice president mike pence, also saying the same thing, he would not submit documents. you have nonetheless, these people, this man today and the other testimony in the last several days of important officials who know things about this particular incident who know about the relationship, who know about the ukraine call testifying. that has got to be a proceed to this white house. basically, what we know about their testimony, they are backing up the central part of the whistleblower s complaint, are they not? of a shadowed foreign policy run by the president s personal
conducting impeachment inquiries. what s more, kent is testifying despite a direct attempt by the white house to stop him from doing so. this is happening as we learn more about the explosive testimony from another key witness in the impeachment inquiry. president trump s former top adviser on russia fiona hill detailed a shadowed foreign policy run by rudy giuliani and others accord togz a source. a source says hill described how president trump s then national security adviser john bolton was so alarmed what was going on he pushed for an attorney to get involved. start there with cnn s political correspondent sara murray and so let s start with fiona hill and all of her testimony, nine hours worth, yesterday, in washington, d.c. what did she tell the house committees? reporter: right. the president s top advisers on russia and laid out the concerns in the trump administration
president s disposal, many of them career folks who keep the mechanism of national security going? yeah. i mean, it s certainly looking like there is going to be a big cut to the national security council, something that had been talked about for a long time. i think it does reflect to a certain degree the white house s paranoia the feeling these people can t be trusted. you re right. these are the folks that do make government run and make our foreign policy run. greg, thank you very much for making yourself available to us by phone. greg jaffe of the washington post. here for our lead-off discussion on a thursday night, and it s a lot, robert costa, national political reporter for the washington post, moderator of washington week on msnbc. berit berger, former u.s. assistant attorney with the eastern and southern districts of new york, and nbc news correspondent carol lee. good evening and welcome to you all. and carol, i need to start with you here. your reporting on fiona h