people out of the national parks, the state department no longer issues visas so people can t go on cruises on cruise boats. when all of this stuff starts to happen, they re going to be surprised and angry that that s what the result is. but those of us who have been through it before know that. and we ve tried to tell them that. that this is not the way to get done what you want to do, what you have to do is be willing to compromise. i have never gotten 100% of anything i ve tried to do in 40 years of being in government. i m always willing to accept 60% and i ll be back next year for the other 40%. and that s the way it has always worked. these guys want 100%. and it doesn t work that way. all right. representative jim mcdermott, thank you very much for joining us from california. i appreciate are insights. you re welcome. a footnote worth mentioning that federal agencies have to use up time, energy all resources to man for a shutdown.