in six states so yes. really extreme stuff and everything we learn about it each day makes the plot look even more threatening to democracy. michael, what s so extraordinary about the two pieces of rorting this week that luke is bilined on is they re trump directed plots and only trump. there is no other through line. we ll explain. i ll ask luke to explain to folks who waldron is. plugs in to flynn through the dia and an agency they both served i believe in the obama administration but the only through line through all the cranks, has-beens, flynn wasn t just someone that confessed to the lies he told to the fbi.
with such casualness about the notion of sending the military into six swing states suggesting that they were ready to go to extraordinary lengths to do that. flynn has been subpoenaed as you mentioned. he has defied that. he s trying to block their ability to get his phone records so this has yet to play out and flynn like a lot of people, are trying to run out the clock on this investigation. yeah, the election is coming. there s so many pieces. this great color that i had no concept of. flynn wanted continue to spread the conspiracies at the january 6th rally. that didn t happen. you paint this picture of him bummed out sitting there watching. why didn t it happen? weirdly, what michael flynn wanted was this sober, exha exhaustive recitation on january 6th of all of this supposed election fraud that had taken place so that people on national
it s the story you may not know about the days after trump pardons michael flynn. at the time flynn received the pardon in november 2020, he was actually hunkered down at a secluded estate with sydney powell and others consumed with trying to reverse the results of the election. there were computers, white boards. soon after, flynn raised alarm bells with an interview taking about martial law, right here. he could also order, he could order the within the swing states, if he wanted to, he could take military capabilities and he could place them in those states and basically rerun an election. it s not unprecedented.
john radcliffe to see what he could do. flynn was really kind of a one-man all hands on deck in his efforts to use military means to overturn the election results. yeah. the stuff you got, his responses were telling. flynn has been subpoenaed by the january 6 committee. you write that their interest in him makes him more than a maga circus writer. it remains to be seen, it s still a very, very opaque situation, phil, as to just how much planning was involved and what became on january 6th and whether or not that was president trump s intention. whether or not people around him including general flynn were interested in that scenario as well. and the very fact that flynn is talking about these and speaking in that interview, that decided
television, people in the audience, would be convinced that wow, something really catastrophic happened with our 2020 election. that obviously is not what trump ever had in mind. i m a little surprised that flynn, ever having some proximity to the president, thought that the president would spend that. yes, he was bummed out. he thought it was theatrical. and if you believe them, pack their bags at the trump hotel. left shortly there after. it s a great piece. got to read it. i was thinking about you a lot this week when secretary of state was speaking at the u.n. security council. excellent book. a very circumstances came to mind. read that book, to start a war. great piece in the new york times. really appreciate your time. thanks for having me, phil. coming up next, you may think you know the story of watergate, but a new book is